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Have you noticed that there's a certain part of your body

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that tends to give you trouble?

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Is it your hip, your lower back, your shoulders, your neck?

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For me, it's always been migraines since I was young actually.

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It was headaches back then before I called them migraines, but

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that was my frequent ailment.

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Someone else in my family had frequent ailments with their stomach.

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It seems that we all have different things going on in our bodies that

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we don't always understand and are often seeking out answers for.

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Today's episode is an excellent opportunity to look at some of those

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things that might be going on and maybe a different way of looking at them.

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We have an incredible expert today on body work, and I think you're

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gonna get a lot out of it, and I'm excited to hear what you think.

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Welcome to The Grit Show, growth on Purpose.

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I'm your host, Shawna Rodrigues, and I'm happy to be here with you

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as your guide for all of us growing together as seekers and thrivers.

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Jenelle Woodle is a body worker, massage therapist, energy worker,

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spiritual guide and trauma healer.

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Her unique approach to body work weaves together traditional time massage.

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Structural body work, energy medicine, intuitive guidance, and plant wisdom.

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Jenelle effectively and gently relieves chronic pain, restores

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ease and flow in the body, and creates more balance in the body.

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She is particularly gifted at helping you release trauma stored

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in a structural patterns of your body, a truly transformative gift

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that pays the way for deep healing.

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She also has a line of self devotional oil blends.

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Nurture Your Magic oils, guide you in creating daily rituals to connect with

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self energetic planes of healing, mother earth, lunar magic and shocker clearing.

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They're available in oil blends, room sprays and roller bottles, which I'm

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sure we will have more information about in the show notes so you

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guys can make sure you find those.

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I got to meet Jenelle in person.

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Have loved speaking to her and getting to know her, and I'm sure

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all of you will enjoy her as well.

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Thank you so much for being here today, Jenelle.

Jenelle: 00:02:10

Thank you, Shawna.

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I'm really excited to talk to you.

Shawna: 00:02:13

Yes.

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We have a focus on purpose.

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Growth on purpose is our tagline.

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So I wanna learn a little bit about how you found your way to your

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purpose in doing the work that you do.

Jenelle: 00:02:23

Thank you.

Jenelle: 00:02:24

I think most healers, we get to it honestly, through

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our own need for healing.

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And that's definitely no exception for me.

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I moved through various points in my life where I needed to learn how

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to take care of myself and honor myself a lot better in terms of

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how I spent my time for my career.

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It really wasn't until a pretty traumatic childbirth and sudden divorce that I

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was thrown into this mix of, oh, now I'm a single mom and I want to do things

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differently for myself and my family and how I care for people who come in

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to receive healing services from me.

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And I went through a really big self-discovery process after my divorce

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and was able to step more into my power and who I wanted to be and how I truly

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want to spend my time and the kinds of people that I wanna surround myself with.

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So my business very much evolved as I personally healed from a life of trauma

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and a very tumultuous marriage and then a traumatic and sudden end to that marriage.

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And.

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Getting to make my life all over again, I had been home with babies for six years

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and had no plans to go back to work.

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But things changed very rapidly

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So I was this process of I get to choose what I want my life to look like cuz it's

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not gonna look like what it was before.

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And seeing as though f reedom is my ultimate motivator, I wanted to

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feel free in my career and owning my own business, and evolving my

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business to be a representation of me in all of my power and all of

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my personality and all of my gifts.

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I got the.

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extreme blessing of being able to recreate my life so that I could step

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into that power and live my values.

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That is so exciting.

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It is beautiful what you've done with it and that you saw that opportunity and

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seized it because I think a lot of people would be, pushed down and taken aback

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by all of that instead of realizing, this is my moment, this is my chance.

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What do I want, and how can I manifest that?

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So I'm so excited that you've created and made all this happen, Jenelle.

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It's exciting.

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Thank you.

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And every time I hear you talk, about the importance of our

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bodies and the way our bodies function and how we take care of our bodies,

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I love it and feel so inspired and connected to what you talk about.

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So can you just share a little bit about your thoughts around the body and how we

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care for ourselves and around body work?

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Yes.

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I fundamentally believe that the path to healing anything, emotional trauma,

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physical trauma, even just every day stress of being a human in this

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world because being a human is hard.

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The path to all of that healing is through the body and so much of the

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time we're taught to live in our heads and even this mindfulness and

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mind body connection kind of movement

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doesn't quite get at the importance of not bypassing the body when we are healing.

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And so often traditional therapy and traditional modes of healing do that.

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They bypass the body and when we get down and look at the body's messages

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to us come through pain, discomfort, disease, illness, all of those things

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are ways that our bodies ask for support and ask for things that it needs.

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And when we are living a life where we're in a little bit of, survival mode, right?

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That constant fight or flight that comes from living with chronic

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stress and living with the perils of modern civilization, right?

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Like trying to do everything all on our own, not having the support that

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we need, not having community and tribes, and especially when you look

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at parenting families are parenting on their own all of those things.

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It's like I see this a lot where people are just trying to get

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through everything and our bodies tend to be on the back burner.

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And I firmly believe as I've gone through my own layers of healing and continue on,

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my healing path, I have really learned that the power of being able to truly

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tune into our body's messages is greater than almost anything else that I do.

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And we often create this I call it an adversarial relationship with

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our bodies not feeling or looking or moving the way that we want to.

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It's easy to get in this mindset of, okay, what's broken what's failing me?

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And, part of us, like Western medicine, it's very focused on sick care and

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trying to figure out what's wrong.

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So much of the time, what I see as beautiful opportunities for

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connecting more deeply with our sole purpose comes from being able to

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tune in and compassionately listen to what our body's messages are to us.

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And even though it's a tremendous inconvenience to deal with neck pain or

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headaches, and I mentioned those because I've been dealing with that this week.

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And I always say I like to mention that I experience pain too because I have a

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human body and there's no perfect or magical answer to live a pain-free life.

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And what I talk about is that pain-free living is not the point.

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What is the point is being able to perceive those pain points, whatever those

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look like for you, as opportunities to lean in and do deeper emotional healing.

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And so I work with my clients on learning to decipher what those

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messages are because there is consistency when things come up.

Shawna: 00:08:47

Mm-hmm.

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From doing this work on myself as my number one client and

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then clients who come in to see me with finding ways that you can create

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consistency in connecting with your body.

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Because once you're really tuned in and you have a regular, consistent

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practice of, Hey, body, what are you trying to say to me?

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What do you need?

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We're much better able to interpret those messages as, oh, I just need to slow down.

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Oh, I need to take up more space and not be hiding.

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There's so many things that they're written on the body, like the body

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doesn't forget and the body does not hide.

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The body is constantly finding new ways of getting our attention for things

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that our hearts and our souls need.

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And once we look at how the body holds certain things, then we can look at

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releasing those messages quicker, right?

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In the past I would have neck pain and headaches

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constantly for months because I wasn't tuning in and figuring out, okay,

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what is my body really asking for?

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And now when those symptoms come up, I can be like, oh, okay, that's interesting.

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I wonder what is trying to come through for me.

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And that releasing the adversarial dynamic with my body and being able

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to just step into a place of curiosity like okay, that's interesting.

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My neck hurts.

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What is going on?

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Okay, my body needs these things.

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And also my soul is asking for these other things.

Shawna: 00:10:29

Oh my gosh.

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I love this.

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And you wouldn't know this, but we just had an episode 40 on The Grit

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Show was emotions as indicators.

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And I was actually talking about how even our emotions are indicators

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for us and their messengers for us.

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And I love this entire conversation because it's helping us look

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at, and it's a new lens for me.

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So this is a huge gift about how we look at.

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Our body and because we talk about getting curious about our emotions

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and curious about what we're experiencing and what that might mean

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and what we're learning from this and what we can get from this and

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to look at our bodies the same way.

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And this is brilliant and helpful.

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And I think there's this interesting thing for me cuz I've had a lot of frustration.

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What doctors for folks that listen to the podcast know about, I had an MRI where

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they found five spots in my brain and thought I had brain cancer for a summer,

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and then all of a sudden, oh, you're fine.

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We went from, oh, you have brain cancer.

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You might have 36 months to live to.

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Oh, you're fine.

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There's nothing wrong with you.

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Which there's a lot in between there, you would think.

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But, I think there's been this thing where in western medicine, in the way we've

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all been raised, that we need doctors to interpret every little signal for us.

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And we've not been taught to listen to our own bodies and interpret our own

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signals and get curious about things.

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And there are things that can be bigger indicators of bigger things, et cetera.

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And there are times to incorporate doctors and

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medicine and learn those pieces.

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But, there's never been a time where I stop and say, huh, I wonder

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if my body could be trying to tell me something or to slow down.

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And last week I've had some stuff in my vertigo, which I hadn't had

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for a while, which is one of the many symptoms I had to do with the

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spots in my brain that were issues.

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But when I did, I said, I wonder what else this could be.

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Like, I wonder what this could be.

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And it was the first met Curious, and it went away really quickly.

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So maybe,

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Yay.

Shawna: 00:12:16

Yes.

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Maybe the curiosity is the first step.

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It's not the only step.

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But that first step, and I don't think we've been taught that there's been

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too much of either your symptoms are in your head and they're not real.

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The somatic piece of it's just not real, which they're real.

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They're always real.

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When your kisses, they have a stomach ache.

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When all those, are real things.

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We're either taught to ignore them and they're not real, so they don't exist

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or we're worried there's something huge like we have metastatic brain cancer.

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So it's either metastatic brain cancer or they're not real.

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And there's not all this gray in between of our bodies trying to communicate.

Shawna: 00:12:54

And I used to have migraines and my migraines were the only way I would stop.

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So I feel like that was my body saying, Shawna, nothing else works with you.

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So fine, you won't slow down, we're gonna give you a migraine cuz that'll lay out.

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So if you're not gonna listen to us, that's it.

Shawna: 00:13:07

You get a migraine.

Jenelle: 00:13:09

Yes, a hundred percent.

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One of my favorite types of clients to work with is those who have that

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kind of chronic symptom that comes up and migraines is a perfect example.

Jenelle: 00:13:22

And being able to , take someone from only resting when the migraine comes

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To, oh I'm noticing a little bit of tension here.

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I bet that's gonna lead to a migraine, so I'm gonna rest right now.

Jenelle: 00:13:35

And then have that stop the process and then they never get the migraine.

Jenelle: 00:13:40

I think that toxic attitude in this culture of rest is not productive.

Jenelle: 00:13:46

Rest is lazy.

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You are only allowed to rest if you've earned it right?

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Like if you've worked a whole year, you get a couple weeks off if you're lucky.

Jenelle: 00:13:56

And being able to step into, no, actually rest is the most

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productive thing you can do.

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Imagine, with that example of the migraine and resting before it develops into a

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migraine, how much time and suffering you save by just, oh, rather than

Jenelle: 00:14:16

having to take a whole day to take care of myself at the end of the week, I'm

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gonna lay down and take a nap right now.

Jenelle: 00:14:24

Save myself, all of those bigger problems that come with having being laid out.

Jenelle: 00:14:29

And I can't tell you how many times I hear that.

Jenelle: 00:14:31

Oh, I rest, when I have to.

Shawna: 00:14:34

Yes.

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I've been thrilled that I have a small contract with a headstart program in

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California that because of relationships, I'm still consulting with them and I

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do coaching for some of their managers.

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So I'm basically a executive coach for them, so to speak,

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with some of their managers.

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And I love the work, and that's why I still do it, even though I really do as

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much capacity with launch in my podcast network and doing the other things.

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But in the last few weeks, every one of the clients that I work with there has

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noted to me that they haven't been sick.

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So after being coaching with me for the last four months, they've all

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noted that they haven't been sick.

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And so for this agency, what a great decision it was for them to

Shawna: 00:15:17

contact me and give these women this opportunity to just every other week

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to have this 45 minutes to actually connect and process and its coaching.

Shawna: 00:15:26

Like I have a therapeutic background, but I do this as a coach.

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But to have this opportunity for them to check in with things and process things

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and this being present and processing things has made such a difference that

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they've each independently not knowing that they've all talked to me, right?

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That they've all brought this up, they've all independently brought up.

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That they have not been sick and they've been not using their sick days versus when

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I first started working with 'em, they were out missing appointments with me.

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They've been out missing long-term things at work.

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They'd all had significant stuff with sick days before they started

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doing that work and that it had that big of an impact because they've had

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this opportunity to reflect and get in touch with themselves, period.

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It's not even just that physical work.

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Just the getting in touch with themselves has made a difference.

Shawna: 00:16:07

Their body has and had to say slow down.

Shawna: 00:16:08

Stop.

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You gotta slow down.

Shawna: 00:16:10

Listen to yourself a little bit.

Shawna: 00:16:11

Let me give you an indicator right there.

Shawna: 00:16:14

It's just amazing to me how much all those things are connected.

Shawna: 00:16:17

And for me, that was a good reminder to me when I got my vertigo, my

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disease spells to be like, wait a minute these women are telling me

Shawna: 00:16:24

how much they're doing better because they're stopping reflecting with me.

Shawna: 00:16:28

Maybe I need to stop and reflect with me a little bit here.

Jenelle: 00:16:30

Yeah, for sure.

Shawna: 00:16:32

Yeah, it's powerful.

Shawna: 00:16:33

I'm so glad you're doing the work that you've been doing.

Jenelle: 00:16:37

Thank you.

Shawna: 00:16:38

Do you have examples of clients of specific things, like

Shawna: 00:16:41

you've mentioned migraines and stuff like that, but our bodies carry

Shawna: 00:16:45

different things in different places.

Shawna: 00:16:47

Is it really literal that injuries are related to things that have happened, or

Shawna: 00:16:51

you just feel like the body just carries things differently for different people?

Jenelle: 00:16:54

I've definitely over the years found certain themes that

Jenelle: 00:16:58

come through the body and the things that people talk about.

Jenelle: 00:17:01

But I think one of the biggest things that my work has really revealed for

Jenelle: 00:17:06

me because I'm not a therapist and a body worker, and so everything,

Jenelle: 00:17:12

for me and my sessions comes down to how is it showing up in the body?

Jenelle: 00:17:17

How is the body feeling and how are you taking care of your body?

Jenelle: 00:17:21

And the thing about trauma and chronic stress, which most of us either

Jenelle: 00:17:29

have experienced at one point in our lives, if not are experiencing

Jenelle: 00:17:32

now is that the emotions are felt and experienced through the body.

Jenelle: 00:17:39

And trauma is no different.

Jenelle: 00:17:41

Trauma is felt and experienced in the body.

Jenelle: 00:17:44

Now everyone has a different.

Jenelle: 00:17:47

Kind of path with trauma and different energetic ways that they're able

Jenelle: 00:17:52

to move through those experiences.

Jenelle: 00:17:54

But what I've seen in the time working, hands on with bodies is that

Jenelle: 00:18:02

the ways that people are processing emotions show up in their bodies.

Jenelle: 00:18:06

I call them holding patterns.

Jenelle: 00:18:08

And so if you can visualize since you're not seeing me in person but if you can

Jenelle: 00:18:13

close your eyes and tune into what your body does when you think about shame or

Jenelle: 00:18:20

hiding or walking on eggshells or feeling that constant holding, and bracing

Jenelle: 00:18:26

for what might happen next.

Jenelle: 00:18:28

Your body tenses up and your shoulders come forward and up towards

Jenelle: 00:18:32

your ears and we collapse forward.

Jenelle: 00:18:35

And this is exaggerated, but to some extent or another, everyone

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who has experienced traumatic childhoods, traumatic experiences

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as an adult, chronic stress, whether that's abusive relationships, toxic

Jenelle: 00:18:49

work environments, they all have these patterns of energetically and

Jenelle: 00:18:54

physically hiding parts of themselves.

Jenelle: 00:18:57

And when we hold our bodies in certain ways the musculature, the

Jenelle: 00:19:03

connective tissue, it changes to adapt to that holding position.

Jenelle: 00:19:08

And so over time, the body actually physically changes to

Jenelle: 00:19:14

adjust to that new position.

Jenelle: 00:19:17

And as a result, people can get stuck in that trauma response because

Jenelle: 00:19:22

physically their body's not changing.

Jenelle: 00:19:24

Physically,

Jenelle: 00:19:25

our bodies have to be opened up in order to release those things, which is why I

Jenelle: 00:19:30

see people who have been through years of therapy to work through things that

Jenelle: 00:19:35

they've experienced in their life, yet, there's still pieces of it that come up.

Jenelle: 00:19:41

And what I've seen in my perspective and my area of expertise is that

Jenelle: 00:19:47

it's being stored in the body.

Jenelle: 00:19:49

And until it's fully released from your physical being, your emotional being

Jenelle: 00:19:54

is still going to be experiencing it.

Jenelle: 00:19:56

So how your body moves, how you hold your body, how you use your body all of

Jenelle: 00:20:02

those things impact our emotions and the relationship that we have with our body

Jenelle: 00:20:08

and how we view those things, which, could be considered flaws or brokenness or all

Jenelle: 00:20:14

those things that aren't actually true, but are very valid feelings to experience.

Jenelle: 00:20:20

It keeps us stuck.

Shawna: 00:20:22

That's amazing.

Shawna: 00:20:23

So you've done a lot of work then with folks to be able to do

Shawna: 00:20:26

that body work to help release those parts and pieces of them.

Shawna: 00:20:30

That is incredible.

Jenelle: 00:20:31

Yeah.

Shawna: 00:20:31

Did you get taught this led into this, or you just discovered

Shawna: 00:20:34

this as you worked with clients?

Shawna: 00:20:36

How did you get LED in this direction?

Jenelle: 00:20:38

That's such a good question.

Jenelle: 00:20:39

I have a background in structural body work which looks objectively at how

Jenelle: 00:20:46

the body is holding certain things.

Jenelle: 00:20:48

So I'll look at like, how are the two shoulders like in relation to one another?

Jenelle: 00:20:52

Is the rotation in the body?

Jenelle: 00:20:54

Is there where everything is in space and the work in structural

Jenelle: 00:20:59

body work is looking at how to achieve more balance in the body.

Jenelle: 00:21:03

So if there's a huge, or even a mild discrepancy between one shoulder

Jenelle: 00:21:10

being higher than the other.

Jenelle: 00:21:12

The body work is then targeted to even the body out so that you can

Jenelle: 00:21:16

hold yourself in a more balanced way.

Jenelle: 00:21:19

And what I've experienced through that training and through that work

Jenelle: 00:21:24

is it tends to be body related.

Jenelle: 00:21:27

And as I have been working more with people who have deeper healing

Jenelle: 00:21:34

to do than just my neck hurts.

Jenelle: 00:21:36

Or maybe they've tried everything under the sun and until it's actually getting

Jenelle: 00:21:42

at not just the physical piece of it, but also the emotional piece and learning

Jenelle: 00:21:48

how to tune in and listen to your body and take breaks when you need to.

Jenelle: 00:21:52

All of those things, the actions of self-love.

Jenelle: 00:21:56

We remain in that pain cycle or the pain spiral, whatever that looks like.

Jenelle: 00:22:03

And so initially it was the training that I had, being able to look at

Jenelle: 00:22:08

the body very objectively, but then seeing that humans also need to

Jenelle: 00:22:12

feel really good in order to heal.

Jenelle: 00:22:15

Like our bodies need to feel, seen, heard, supported, celebrated,

Jenelle: 00:22:20

and all of the things that allow our nervous system to relax.

Jenelle: 00:22:26

And so much of the training that I received in that modality was

Jenelle: 00:22:31

I'm gonna work on the body and I'm going to create this change.

Jenelle: 00:22:35

And not much of a perspective of slowing down and listening to the body.

Jenelle: 00:22:41

Like as a body worker, I think that's my most important role, right?

Jenelle: 00:22:45

I can talk to a client about symptoms, I can see where things

Jenelle: 00:22:48

are showing up in the body.

Jenelle: 00:22:50

But if I go into that session with an agenda say, oh, I want

Jenelle: 00:22:54

to bring that shoulder down.

Jenelle: 00:22:56

Then often it's working against the body rather than slowing down and working

Jenelle: 00:23:01

with the body and allowing someone to tune into how my body feels when I talk about

Jenelle: 00:23:08

certain things or all of those things that you can see all the connections.

Jenelle: 00:23:13

And so I think it was really just working with so many clients who have

Jenelle: 00:23:19

experiences in their lives that continue to show up in their bodies and seeing

Jenelle: 00:23:25

that we're just treating symptoms if we are doing this piecemeal approach.

Jenelle: 00:23:30

Oh, people come in when their neck hurts and are gonna treat their neck.

Jenelle: 00:23:35

But if it's not a more holistic look at healing and reconnecting,

Jenelle: 00:23:41

then it's not sustainable.

Shawna: 00:23:43

Yes.

Shawna: 00:23:44

That holistic piece is what I feel is really missing.

Shawna: 00:23:46

So it's so incredible that you've put those pieces together and see it in

Shawna: 00:23:51

that manner and kind of understand that you can't just pop a thing back

Shawna: 00:23:55

into place and it's gonna stay there.

Shawna: 00:23:56

It'll just work its way back out if we don't actually understand the pieces that

Shawna: 00:24:00

pushed it out to begin with, so to speak.

Shawna: 00:24:02

Got a real look at things more holistically.

Jenelle: 00:24:05

yes.

Shawna: 00:24:06

That's so exciting.

Shawna: 00:24:07

That is incredible.

Shawna: 00:24:08

I'm glad that you're doing the work that you're doing.

Shawna: 00:24:10

Has it been exciting to connect with your clients in a new way and

Shawna: 00:24:14

to find the clients that kind of resonate with that in your work?

Jenelle: 00:24:18

Oh, it is deeply meaningful and impactful on my life.

Jenelle: 00:24:22

Absolutely.

Jenelle: 00:24:23

But it was a learning process and definitely lots of moments of

Jenelle: 00:24:29

uncomfortable growth to step into something that's very new and different.

Jenelle: 00:24:34

People are used to massage and body work looking very different

Jenelle: 00:24:39

than the way that I practice it.

Jenelle: 00:24:40

And so there's definitely a lot of educating and self discovery of

Jenelle: 00:24:46

how I want my business to attract the people I want to work with.

Jenelle: 00:24:51

And it starts with that bigger conversation of we need to honor,

Jenelle: 00:24:56

celebrate, and care for our bodies in new ways than what we are doing right now.

Jenelle: 00:25:01

I think just as a lot of business owners over time refine who they enjoy

Jenelle: 00:25:06

working with the most and then once you get clear on that, then it's so

Jenelle: 00:25:10

much easier to talk about your work in certain ways that draws those people in.

Jenelle: 00:25:15

And I think it's process over time.

Jenelle: 00:25:19

I'm, 10 years into this, so it's definitely evolved.

Jenelle: 00:25:23

But I think ultimately putting myself first has always been the biggest

Jenelle: 00:25:29

motivator and the biggest avenue for finding clarity in what I want

Jenelle: 00:25:34

to do and not compromising, right?

Jenelle: 00:25:37

These are the things that I need and my body need.

Jenelle: 00:25:41

And so how do I build a business and a practice around that

Jenelle: 00:25:45

where I am centering myself?

Jenelle: 00:25:46

I think I mentioned it before, I am my most important client, and that's

Jenelle: 00:25:52

not a superficial thing that I say that is a deep value that I have.

Jenelle: 00:25:59

One, I can't show up and heal other people.

Jenelle: 00:26:00

But two, I can't show up and guide people in doing things that I'm not doing.

Jenelle: 00:26:06

And so I think it, as a process, like most things I didn't fall into it necessarily

Jenelle: 00:26:13

but just seeing what people really need and how I can utilize, all the

Jenelle: 00:26:19

parts of my brain and my heart and my body to show up and fill the gaps in our

Jenelle: 00:26:27

healing kind of modalities and systems that we are accustomed to.

Shawna: 00:26:32

No, that's perfect.

Shawna: 00:26:32

I love that cuz putting yourself first is, not as easy as people think.

Shawna: 00:26:37

It's not easy at all.

Shawna: 00:26:38

I definitely, love that.

Shawna: 00:26:40

And when I need a reminder that I'm going to remember you and think of that.

Shawna: 00:26:42

So thank you.

Shawna: 00:26:43

And that's a perfect segue

Shawna: 00:26:45

Every week we do talk about our self-care spotlight and looking at how each of

Shawna: 00:26:50

our guests does take care of themselves.

Shawna: 00:26:52

I still need to find the perfect language because it really is maintenance.

Shawna: 00:26:55

It is something necessary to maintain who you are and who you can be

Shawna: 00:26:58

in your family and in your life.

Shawna: 00:27:00

And in this world is if you take care of yourself.

Shawna: 00:27:02

So what do you do for that maintenance piece and to be

Shawna: 00:27:05

able to put yourself first?

Shawna: 00:27:06

What does that look like?

Jenelle: 00:27:07

Are you familiar with the concept of the five love languages?

Shawna: 00:27:11

We had an episode early on about that.

Shawna: 00:27:12

I wish you'd remembered the number.

Shawna: 00:27:13

It was probably around five or six early on in the show.

Shawna: 00:27:15

We had an episode around that.

Shawna: 00:27:16

Yes, very much.

Jenelle: 00:27:18

I look at self-care as self-love in action, and so the concepts around

Jenelle: 00:27:28

love, languages, how we give and receive love as they apply to yourself

Jenelle: 00:27:35

and your self-love and self devotion.

Jenelle: 00:27:38

And I am definitely a quality time main love language.

Jenelle: 00:27:43

And so the main way that I take care of myself is quality time with myself.

Jenelle: 00:27:50

And that looks like all of the different kinds of rest that you can possibly think

Jenelle: 00:27:55

of, not just sleep, although that is.

Jenelle: 00:27:58

My favorite thing in the whole world.

Jenelle: 00:28:00

I like to say I'm a nap queen, a nap advocate, all the things.

Jenelle: 00:28:05

But all the other kinds of rest, right?

Jenelle: 00:28:07

Like the rest from other people's energy, the rest from having to think

Jenelle: 00:28:12

and be productive and do all the time.

Jenelle: 00:28:15

And so quality time with myself looks alone time.

Jenelle: 00:28:20

It looks like quiet time.

Jenelle: 00:28:22

That's not overly distracted.

Jenelle: 00:28:26

I say not tuning out, scrolling social media or watching tv, like real,

Jenelle: 00:28:32

actual quality time with myself.

Jenelle: 00:28:34

And that of course has evolved over the years as well as I've really tuned

Jenelle: 00:28:39

into what is most meaningful to me.

Jenelle: 00:28:42

But absolutely the way that I recharge is to spend quality time with myself and

Jenelle: 00:28:48

allow myself to truly rest on a daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, all the things.

Shawna: 00:28:56

That is so beautiful and I love that you've been so valuable

Shawna: 00:28:59

for me to have new lenses for ways of seeing things because I am somebody

Shawna: 00:29:05

who like, am I introvert, extrovert?

Shawna: 00:29:07

Sometimes I'm this, sometimes I'm that.

Shawna: 00:29:09

Part of it probably is that I am a quality time person.

Shawna: 00:29:12

That is my primary love language.

Shawna: 00:29:14

And I think that's partly what I need when I need my downtime, is I need that quality

Shawna: 00:29:18

time with myself and I need my alone time.

Shawna: 00:29:21

And that's one reason I love travel cuz when I travel I get the quality time.

Shawna: 00:29:26

And so that's part of my secret of why I love travel cuz it's a good

Shawna: 00:29:28

way to be by myself and be away

Jenelle: 00:29:31

Yes,

Shawna: 00:29:31

have quality sit in a cafe.

Shawna: 00:29:34

And again, I'm experiencing a new city.

Shawna: 00:29:36

And people understand when you're traveling that you're doing

Shawna: 00:29:38

those things that are quality time things is when you travel.

Shawna: 00:29:41

So this has been very insightful.

Shawna: 00:29:43

Thank you so much, Jenelle.

Shawna: 00:29:44

I love how much I've gotten from this.

Shawna: 00:29:45

The other thing that we also do for our audience is we give them

Shawna: 00:29:48

what we call Grit wit, which is something that they can take away.

Shawna: 00:29:52

And apply to their life and their world immediately from what we've talked about.

Shawna: 00:29:55

So do you have a piece of Grit wit that they can take away and apply to their

Shawna: 00:29:59

life from what we've talked about today?

Jenelle: 00:30:00

We talked about this a little bit at the beginning,

Jenelle: 00:30:03

the, going back to the basics.

Jenelle: 00:30:05

I think one of the most magical things you can do is take a nap.

Jenelle: 00:30:09

Because that's not accessible to everyone.

Jenelle: 00:30:12

Life is hard.

Jenelle: 00:30:13

And for most of us, we're juggling many different things.

Jenelle: 00:30:18

But rest can look many different ways.

Jenelle: 00:30:21

It's turning off the phone like before you go to bed.

Jenelle: 00:30:26

It's choosing to say no to something that you get invited to because you

Jenelle: 00:30:32

just have too many things on your plate.

Jenelle: 00:30:34

It's the little choices that we make throughout the day to prioritize rest

Jenelle: 00:30:40

and slowing down are the most powerful.

Jenelle: 00:30:44

It's not the vacation that you take once a year.

Jenelle: 00:30:47

It's the, I'm gonna take five minutes out of my day and go sit and breathe

Shawna: 00:30:52

Yes.

Shawna: 00:30:52

I don't have to have everything packed back to back.

Jenelle: 00:30:55

No.

Jenelle: 00:30:56

And for those of us who have freedom of flexibility in our schedules

Jenelle: 00:31:02

remembering what is important, you can absolutely still be an

Jenelle: 00:31:05

extrovert, but need time to recover.

Jenelle: 00:31:09

You can still show up and be all the things that you want to be.

Jenelle: 00:31:12

But understanding what you need to recover so that you can show backup

Jenelle: 00:31:16

with all of the beauty and personality that you are is the secret sauce, right?

Jenelle: 00:31:24

It's knowing what we really need to recharge and rest and sleep, but also

Jenelle: 00:31:31

all the other different kinds of rest.

Jenelle: 00:31:33

I think are the most powerful things that we can do for ourselves.

Jenelle: 00:31:36

Because when we rest, all the deeper messages that our body has for us

Jenelle: 00:31:41

are able to come to the surface, especially if we're not distracting

Jenelle: 00:31:45

with alcohol, drugs, tv, the things that we know aren't good for us, but

Jenelle: 00:31:49

still find comfort in from time to time.

Shawna: 00:31:52

Yes.

Shawna: 00:31:52

Comfort, distraction, I think that's one big thing that I'll take from our

Shawna: 00:31:56

conversation is just that idea of getting curious when we start to experience

Shawna: 00:32:00

things in our body to instead of muting them, instead of pushing the mute button.

Shawna: 00:32:04

Pay attention to something else, to be like, oh yeah, there is

Shawna: 00:32:07

something in my shoulder right there.

Shawna: 00:32:08

I wonder what that is and what that could be about.

Shawna: 00:32:11

And if I need to pay attention to that and listen to it and

Shawna: 00:32:13

what it could be telling me.

Shawna: 00:32:15

And to pay attention to our bodies and how our bodies feel and just get quiet

Shawna: 00:32:18

and listen a little bit to our bodies.

Shawna: 00:32:20

Cuz I think so much is easier ignoring it, pushing away, pushing the mute

Shawna: 00:32:24

button, or turning it up to the 10th degree and imagining the absolute worst

Shawna: 00:32:29

that we experience something instead of all the mid-range and nuanced messages

Shawna: 00:32:34

our bodies are trying to give us.

Jenelle: 00:32:36

I like to describe it as our body, starts by whispering to us.

Jenelle: 00:32:41

Like gentle nudges Hey, I need you to slow down.

Jenelle: 00:32:44

Hey.

Jenelle: 00:32:44

And then our body gets louder and louder until, like you mentioned

Jenelle: 00:32:48

in the beginning I get a migraine.

Jenelle: 00:32:49

And then I have to that's the only way that I, my body gets

Jenelle: 00:32:53

me to slow down and rest.

Jenelle: 00:32:55

We're not listening.

Jenelle: 00:32:56

Then we miss those quieter voices and your body is okay, now I really

Jenelle: 00:33:01

gotta make it obvious to her.

Shawna: 00:33:03

Yes, exactly.

Shawna: 00:33:04

There's somebody I was talking to, they're like, oh, I hate throwing up.

Shawna: 00:33:07

That's the one thing that'll like I hate more than anything.

Shawna: 00:33:09

I'm like, so when your body really needs you to stop, that's what it does.

Jenelle: 00:33:13

Yes.

Shawna: 00:33:14

the one thing that'll get you to stop.

Shawna: 00:33:16

For me, it's migraines is the one thing that'll get me to stop.

Shawna: 00:33:19

That'll be the one thing that I put the pack over my eyes

Shawna: 00:33:21

and lay down and it's done.

Shawna: 00:33:23

So my body knows how to get my attention.

Shawna: 00:33:25

It knows me better than anything else.

Jenelle: 00:33:27

Yes.

Shawna: 00:33:27

Yes.

Shawna: 00:33:28

So if people wanna connect with you, what are some of the

Shawna: 00:33:31

best ways to connect with you?

Shawna: 00:33:32

And tell us a little bit about the oils and how to do all that too.

Shawna: 00:33:35

Tell us more about you.

Jenelle: 00:33:36

Yes.

Jenelle: 00:33:36

Thank you.

Jenelle: 00:33:37

That's such a generous opportunity to talk about myself.

Jenelle: 00:33:42

So I am in Portland, Oregon and I do see people in person for body work.

Jenelle: 00:33:48

And I'm also, creating an online community space where people can gather.

Jenelle: 00:33:54

It's not ready to invite people into yet, but it's launching in June.

Shawna: 00:33:59

Ooh, very soon.

Jenelle: 00:34:01

Yes, it, really is soon.

Jenelle: 00:34:03

Opening ceremony will be June 28th.

Jenelle: 00:34:06

And, that is a space where I want to also get curious about what it looks like to

Jenelle: 00:34:15

live a life of self devotion and being playful and curious with the things that

Jenelle: 00:34:20

come up that we need to pay attention to.

Jenelle: 00:34:22

And finding support in each other, community care above.

Jenelle: 00:34:26

Self care and all the ways that we can find moments throughout our day

Jenelle: 00:34:32

to tune in and care for ourselves.

Jenelle: 00:34:35

And so that will be coming up.

Jenelle: 00:34:37

My oil blends.

Jenelle: 00:34:39

I have a set of essential oil blends called Nurture Your Magic.

Jenelle: 00:34:43

And the idea being that we are all magic.

Jenelle: 00:34:47

We all have magic, and that it deserves to be nurtured.

Jenelle: 00:34:51

And so I created this set of oil blends that have essential oils, crystals,

Jenelle: 00:35:00

they are connected with the energetic planes of the lunar phases with chakra

Jenelle: 00:35:06

points in our bodies with the elements of nature being air, fire, earth, and water.

Jenelle: 00:35:13

And the oils were really created out of my desire to create tangible experiences for

Jenelle: 00:35:20

people to slow down and connect with how they're feeling, and support themselves,

Jenelle: 00:35:26

whatever that looks like for them.

Jenelle: 00:35:28

And the different energy planes that I talk about are connected

Jenelle: 00:35:32

with those chakra points, with the lunar phases and with the elements.

Jenelle: 00:35:37

So I love them.

Jenelle: 00:35:37

They smell amazing.

Jenelle: 00:35:39

And that's been a really fun, way to feel playful and create and delight

Jenelle: 00:35:46

all of the senses of your body.

Shawna: 00:35:48

Oh, that's wonderful.

Shawna: 00:35:49

Can folks order those online or do they get those from Per Oh, nice.

Shawna: 00:35:53

Wonderful.

Shawna: 00:35:53

So we'll have all of that in the show notes, all of the links for that.

Shawna: 00:35:56

And what is the best place to find you online?

Shawna: 00:35:59

Instagram, Facebook, your website?

Shawna: 00:36:00

What's the best way?

Jenelle: 00:36:02

The best way is stick it on my newsletter.

Jenelle: 00:36:04

And so going to my website, you can sign up.

Jenelle: 00:36:06

I have a self-love languages quiz, so that conflict that I talked about Go

Jenelle: 00:36:13

in and take a quiz and find out what your self-love language is, cuz it

Jenelle: 00:36:18

actually may be different than what your language may be in the context

Jenelle: 00:36:22

of a relationship with someone else.

Jenelle: 00:36:25

And so it's super fun to be able to tune in and discover more about what you need.

Jenelle: 00:36:31

I call it discover your self care superpower, right?

Jenelle: 00:36:35

Because if you know quality time is the most important and restorative thing you

Jenelle: 00:36:40

can do, then you can prioritize that and be like, oh, getting a monthly massage is

Jenelle: 00:36:44

wonderful, but it's not the thing that's gonna carry me through this crazy world.

Shawna: 00:36:49

I love it.

Shawna: 00:36:49

We actually had one guest that was talking about how pedicures, were not self-care.

Shawna: 00:36:54

And I'm like for some people they are , for everyone is different.

Shawna: 00:36:56

So I love that you actually have a quiz that people can

Shawna: 00:36:58

figure out what it is for them.

Shawna: 00:37:02

Because I feel like whatever it is for you is what you need

Shawna: 00:37:04

to do, but it does change.

Shawna: 00:37:05

So for me, It might be sitting on my porch with a cup of

Shawna: 00:37:09

tea and staring at the birds.

Shawna: 00:37:11

Is it better for somebody else?

Shawna: 00:37:13

That's not self-care at all.

Shawna: 00:37:14

So it really is figuring out what it is for you that does that.

Jenelle: 00:37:18

Yes.

Jenelle: 00:37:19

And finding the little things that you're doing every single day and not

Jenelle: 00:37:23

just, every couple of weeks going and getting something bigger, it's how are

Jenelle: 00:37:28

you embracing a life of self devotion?

Jenelle: 00:37:31

That's the lens that I look at it from is how am I.

Jenelle: 00:37:34

Creating a life that's dedicated to supporting myself as the most

Jenelle: 00:37:40

important in my world, right?

Jenelle: 00:37:42

I can't care for other people if I myself am not taken care of.

Jenelle: 00:37:48

I can't extend grace to others if I'm not first extending grace to myself.

Jenelle: 00:37:54

And so I love the quiz.

Jenelle: 00:37:57

It's been really helpful for people just looking at, the bigger concept of what

Jenelle: 00:38:01

self-care is in a more accessible way.

Jenelle: 00:38:05

Cuz there are little things you can do every day.

Shawna: 00:38:08

I love it.

Shawna: 00:38:09

Somebody else we had on, she called it self-care snacks.

Shawna: 00:38:11

Her things are self-care

Jenelle: 00:38:12

Oh my gosh, I love it.

Shawna: 00:38:13

Isn't that fun?

Shawna: 00:38:14

That was Stacy, one of our early guests, she called it that.

Shawna: 00:38:16

I loved it.

Shawna: 00:38:17

So yes, we obviously care about it.

Shawna: 00:38:19

We talk about every episode so folks can get an idea of what

Shawna: 00:38:22

people do and ways to integrate it.

Shawna: 00:38:24

So this has been wonderful, Jenelle.

Shawna: 00:38:27

Thank you so much for coming on and sharing with everyone.

Shawna: 00:38:29

I feel like everyone got a lot out of this and will be able to apply this,

Shawna: 00:38:32

and you definitely gave me a lot of perspective and things to add to my way

Shawna: 00:38:36

of looking at things, so I value that.

Shawna: 00:38:38

Thank you.

Jenelle: 00:38:39

I'm so glad.

Jenelle: 00:38:40

Thank you, Shawna.

Jenelle: 00:38:40

This is a lovely conversation.

Shawna: 00:38:43

Thanks again for being here.

Shawna: 00:38:45

It's so great to spend this time with all of you.

Shawna: 00:38:48

I just wanted to take a minute and read to you some of the fantastic reviews.

Shawna: 00:38:52

The folks have been leaving us online.

Shawna: 00:38:54

Again, if you're on Spotify, you're able to give us a rating,

Shawna: 00:38:57

which we very much appreciate.

Shawna: 00:39:00

You're welcome to send us notes about what you think of the show.

Shawna: 00:39:03

You can put reviews on Facebook.

Shawna: 00:39:05

We also appreciate that.

Shawna: 00:39:07

Or if you go onto Apple Podcasts, they have a place for you to leave reviews

Shawna: 00:39:10

there, and I'm gonna read you a couple of those I really appreciate them.

Shawna: 00:39:14

We have one that says I'm in love with this show.

Shawna: 00:39:17

It's funny, witty, encouraging, and educational.

Shawna: 00:39:22

Thank you for that.

Shawna: 00:39:23

We have another that says, thank you for sharing your gift.

Shawna: 00:39:26

The discussion in love languages was really fun.

Shawna: 00:39:29

We use this in our family, even with our eight year old son.

Shawna: 00:39:32

That's incredible.

Shawna: 00:39:33

That applies so much for kids and I'm glad it's being used in your family.

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